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Live Chat - June 3rd Don Irving - TrackMan Combine / Equipment
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June 3, 2015
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I see that most fitters are trying to get the ball launch high and I like a low trajectory so I can get some roll which when launched high I don't get.   Why is the high launch the way to go for fitters?

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Don, what would you say is the biggest mistake golfers make when getting fit for clubs, particularly the driver? 

I would say that driver length is often overlooked.  The individual golfer's ability to find the center of the face is often dictated by the length of the club.  I think people are afraid that if they go to a shorter driver, they will lose club head speed and therefore distance.  It is possible that the club head speed may drop, but it is not a drastic drop and if a lower club head speed allows better impact the tradeoff is well worth it.

You mention striking the centre of the face...that seems obvious but what are variances that can happen with a shot due to not hitting the centre? What makes that fitting to get more centred contact so important?

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Sorry folks. Had a slight technical glitch. Don is back with us now

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gbower said
I see that most fitters are trying to get the ball launch high and I like a low trajectory so I can get some roll which when launched high I don't get.   Why is the high launch the way to go for fitters?

Launching the ball higher has to be partnered with low spin.  With this combination of low spin and high launch, you will get maximum carry and still get good roll out.  You have to be careful here though, having a higher launch angle is great only if you do have that low spin.  I am not opposed to lower launch angles, in fact, prefer it with my own game, but again the spin has to be low.  I think for those who don't drive the ball a mile a mid trajectory, low spin combination is the most effective for maxing out distance.

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How do you make use of TrackMan radar in your fitting process?  What are you looking for when you have people hitting on it? Is there a key parameter (measurement) that you focus on?

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Flagstick Staff - S. MacLeod said

artisangolf said

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Don, what would you say is the biggest mistake golfers make when getting fit for clubs, particularly the driver? 

I would say that driver length is often overlooked.  The individual golfer's ability to find the center of the face is often dictated by the length of the club.  I think people are afraid that if they go to a shorter driver, they will lose club head speed and therefore distance.  It is possible that the club head speed may drop, but it is not a drastic drop and if a lower club head speed allows better impact the tradeoff is well worth it.

You mention striking the centre of the face...that seems obvious but what are variances that can happen with a shot due to not hitting the centre? What makes that fitting to get more centred contact so important?

Because the face of a driver is curved, both horizontally and vertically the gear effect comes into play.  Hitting the ball lower on the face of the driver will actually increase your spin rate.  While hitting it slightly higher will lower your spin rate.  But as you can imagine, loft on the bottom portion of the clubface is lower and loft on the upper part of the clubface will be higher.  Also, hitting toward the heel produces a shot that wants to head left and come back right (right handed golfer) and a shot hit out on the toe will launch to the right, but draw back in toward the fairway.  To me the perfect spot to hit a ball on the club face is slightly above center and slightly towards the toe.  This impact produces a draw effect and towards the toe gives a little more club head speed.  Any impact much more than 1/4 inch off center results in a lower ball speed and therefore less distance.

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Thanks Don.  I don't know my spin but I just don't get the distance (carry and roll) when I have a higher launch angle.  The one time on a machine when I got a higher launch the numbers said a certain amount of roll but watching the flight and roll, there was virtually no roll but when I hit a lower trajectory I could see I was going further as there was visible roll.  I can see with very wet conditions where all carry is the key.  Not sure if I'm expressing this properly but I like my roll that we get most of the season.

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Flagstick Staff - S. MacLeod said
How do you make use of TrackMan radar in your fitting process?  What are you looking for when you have people hitting on it? Is there a key parameter (measurement) that you focus on?

Of all the pieces of information that Trackman provides, I am most interested in what happens at collision with regards to launch angle, spin rate, angle of attach, spin loft and ball speed.  These are the key parameters that I like to examine in a fitting, especially when looking at drivers.  There are also a lot of situations where I would be looking at other parameters, for example, if I have a golfer who is continually going to the right, club path and face angle usually tell the story.  For example, I had a golfer in today who was convinced that his slice was caused by his big out to in club path.  Trackman data indicated that his club path was virtually zero, but his face angle was consistently open.

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gbower said
Thanks Don.  I don't know my spin but I just don't get the distance (carry and roll) when I have a higher launch angle.  The one time on a machine when I got a higher launch the numbers said a certain amount of roll but watching the flight and roll, there was virtually no roll but when I hit a lower trajectory I could see I was going further as there was visible roll.  I can see with very wet conditions where all carry is the key.  Not sure if I'm expressing this properly but I like my roll that we get most of the season.

I understand completely.  If you have got fairways that promote good roll, I say go for the lower ball flight.  But at the same time you can hit a lower ball with lower spin to gain even more distance. 

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Spin Loft, I am familiar with it but can you explain that for the forum members, how it is determined and what it indicates? 

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